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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 592 for the 16th of

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February 2020 Richard Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia and what a

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week it's been in Sydney Australia it

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started with the flooding rains amazing

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torrential downpour last week flooding

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everything water everywhere quite a

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change from all those bush fires not so

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long ago and so after the last episode

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of the skeptic Stone went out to the

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world I was looking forward to a

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relaxing afternoon instead I was helping

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to mop up storm water from the garage

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but today the Sun has come out but also

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what a week it's been in Sydney

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Australia for the legal system and the

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past week saw the appearance at the

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committal hearing for Chris Dawson and

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for those of you who don't know Chris

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Dawson has been charged with the murder

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of his wife Lynne Dawson all the way

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back in 1982 a very famous case here in

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Australia but I was in the courtroom

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when a psychic appeared in the witness

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box my report on this bizarre situation

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coming up at the top of the show coming

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up after that it's a new segment with a

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new reporter Michelle Bica smart from

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The Vic skeptics with her segment

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logical fallacies this will be a

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continuing series of segments about

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logical fallacies each week looking at a

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different one today it's ad hominem and

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we welcome Michelle because ma2 the

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skeptic zone oh I wonder if you know

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what you've gotten yourself in for

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Michelle following that can you beat

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cancer in every disease and naturally

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well somehow we are very skeptical but

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this comes about from a random sign

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stapled to a telegraph pole here in

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Sydney and it's a matter of keeping your

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eyes open when you're out and about you

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never know when you're going to come

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across

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a little bit of whoo then the round off

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the show Maynard's spooky action more

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interviews from skeptic on 2019 so many

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interviews from skeptic on 2019 maenad

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was just amazing maenad was just amazing

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that almost rhymes with his microphone

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running around getting lots of

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interviews this week he chats to

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journalists Carolyn szalinski

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Liam Mannix and our very own Tim Mendham

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and speaking of our very own Tim Mendham

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one of the reporters here on the sceptic

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which is a very entertaining and

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informative segment tim has been under

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the weather not the rain but a little

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bit under the weather lately

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get well soon Tim we want you back on

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the show with more of the book of Tim

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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more announcements from me but now it's

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have something I used to enjoy when I

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toast while I do that I hope you enjoy

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this gift exam

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proceedings against anybody and there

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what you can say about matters before

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the court nevertheless what I can do is

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defense reminded her that she claims

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with 100% certainty that Lynette is dead

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not happy that the audio from her police

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you will be able to read more what

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transpired in court in the next issue of

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the skeptic the journal from Australian

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skeptics you can subscribe now and that

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there's a PDF or physically in your real

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simply on the grounds that we must be

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very careful very careful not to write

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some of my investigations but from a

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I was I don't know if I could say I was

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court the day somebody claiming psychic

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powers was questioned in the witness box

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what does rational mean after all simply

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that we need to be rational and

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reasonable in our beliefs and

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conversations we don't want to be trolls

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now do we plenty of them around anyway

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every couple of weeks I science the hell

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out of alternative medicines health and

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science news and lots more I wasn't

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always a skeptic and I'm definitely not

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a scientist so I use my lemonis and my

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techniques to figure out the real from

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the fake and that you can do we all need

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to be better skeptics in this crazy

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fallacies at the door and have

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logical fallacies

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what are the logical fallacies and why

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is it important that critical thinkers

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a logical fallacy is an error we can

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make in reasoning but it usually crops

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up when we are discussing or arguing our

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point of view some people might even

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knowingly use them to try and score

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cheap points in an argument

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due to intellectual laziness they are

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traps we can fall into but if we know

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what to look out for we can spot them

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when they occur and stop ourselves from

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using them this week we'll look at ad

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hominem the ad hominem fallacy also

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about aspects of your opponent sometimes

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personal instead of attacking their

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point of view or their argument the term

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ad hominem comes from Latin and

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translates as against the man you might

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also have heard the expression to play

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the man and not the ball so instead of

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making our argument by looking at and

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tackling the points made by our opponent

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we might attack something about them

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that we and maybe others don't like or

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try to paint them in a bad light in the

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hope of scoring points you didn't even

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attend a university or have any degrees

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at all you are in no position to lecture

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me on this topic if your opponent's

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argument is based on good grounds it

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really doesn't matter if they went to a

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university or not if a person with only

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a rudimentary education says the world

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is round and the sky is blue they're

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still right but be careful a lack of

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education in a particular topic can

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argument too if you don't have expertise

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I don't think a person from your

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background can really comment on these

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matters what would you know you weren't

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bringing does not mean their point of

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view is therefore automatically wrong

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listen to the argument itself and don't

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let other aspects of the person making

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that argument sway you one way or

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another you also support the government

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someone's point of view may well be

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colored by what political party they

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support but again that does not mean

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their arguments are automatically wrong

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or automatically right watch out for the

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ad hominem attack if somebody attacks

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aspects of you and not your arguments

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tell them to stick to the question at

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hand if you find yourself attacking

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something about your opponent you don't

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like it might be time to stop and wonder

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if your own arguments are on shaky

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and even knowing its name is

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important when arguing your point of

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view however you may come across as

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arrogant and not get very far if you

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call it out by name to your opponent

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when you hear it being used if your

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opponent calls you out for using one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case use your

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knowledge of logical fallacies wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right and you know all the

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pitfalls in arguing your case it doesn't

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always mean you'll win on the day and a

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skeptics we must also remember that we

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too can be wrong at times I'm sure

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because Mar from the VEX skeptics thanks

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the Australian sceptic Singh newsletter

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number 91 is now available now to keep

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up with the news from Australian

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skeptics gerotor WWC upticks calm day

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latest newsletter brings us information

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coronavirus lies debunked news on

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homeopathy in the UK the legal challenge

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brought by the good thinking society for

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in 10 americans believe old med can cure

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cancer it's a disturbing story new

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jersey cops admit to using psychics now

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that's around the news at the moment

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isn't it churches trust reveal true cost

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of ghost hunters what churches and

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graveyards damaged but not so much by

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ghost hunters who are normally a pretty

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mild-mannered bunch but by those who

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listen to ghost hunters assertions of

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hauntings which encourage everybody from

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goons to Satanists to visit the sites

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good grief

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Canberra skeptics committee places

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Canberra skeptics are seeking people

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willing to serve on their committee

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academics fight back against junk

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science health scams

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Jonathan Jerry are now we interviewed

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Jonathan a few months back on the

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sceptic zone about ear candling besides

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communicate at McGill University offers

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for science in society has created a

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sting video designed to lure believers

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interviewing what turns out to be an

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instruction on how to use critical

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thinking in social media okay

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decades-long rivalry of London's two

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vampire hunters right

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our fortune-telling took hold in

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quite a lot of interesting topics in the

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and now a case of well keeping your eyes

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open now I try to keep healthy and I do

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what I can

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long walks trips to the gym that sort of

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thing and last week I was taking a

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lengthy walk through the suburbs of

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Sydney as I went through the suburb of

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Petersham in the you know West a sign on

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an a4 sheet of paper printed stuck to a

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telegraph pole caught my eye and this

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sign was laminated it read as follows

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sick and tired of being sick and tired

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if you are one of the millions of

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Aussies who suffer from a disease whose

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life has been turned upside down due to

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an illness whether you or someone you

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love has been affected it doesn't quite

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make sense there's a sentence but you

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get the idea the next sentence says the

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truth about beating cancer and disease

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naturally is a must read book for anyone

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who is seeking the secrets in getting

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back control of your health body and

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life discover the five simple steps to

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start taking today in order to not only

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reverse any disease but will allow you

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to take back control of your own health

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and those that you love once again the

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e/m the sentence structure here is not

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fabulous however learn the natural

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secrets to actually losing weight 100%

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the truth of how and why you have been

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getting sick why you need to start

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working with your body and not against

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it and much more available in Kindle and

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copy of beating cancer and disease

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naturally today and there's a little

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tiny picture of the cover of the book

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right at the bottom of the page be

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getting cancer and disease naturally and

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I can just make out the author is one

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Larry green you won't be surprised that

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I ripped this sign off the telegraph

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pole took a photograph of it beforehand

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ripped it off the telegraph pole and put

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it in the nearest trash bin but it had

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me intrigued so later on I ran to the

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Internet to Amazon and I looked up this

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book beating cancer and disease

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naturally a simple plan in getting and

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staying healthy by Larry green

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copyrighted material and of course

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Amazon gives you a little preview of the

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book so I can look at the first few

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pages beating cancer and disease

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naturally a simple plan in getting and

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staying healthy Larry green copyright

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2019 copyrighted works world health

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daily all rights reserved no part of

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this written book may be reproduced

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copyrighted or otherwise used without

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the express permission of the author

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apart from of course normal usage for

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review or criticism and it says on page

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three all unnecessarily and unwittingly

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to the current medical systems and those

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industries that thrive upon the

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individual being sick beating cancer and

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disease naturally was written after

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years of researching and successful

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application of fundamentals of health

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all in an effort to assist in turning

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the tides assisting the millions

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suffering a simple health solution to

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getting healthy and staying that way

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naturally Nobel Prize winning chemist

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Linus Pauling dedicated decades to this

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very same crusade and in fact won

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another Nobel Prize for Peace in the

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process it is only due to the giants

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such as Linus and others that this book

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was able to be written in the first

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place so a special dedication is offered

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to them all and then it goes on for the

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table of contents maybe it would be

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better to read the blurb accompanying

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the book at Amazon itself the teaser the

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the sales pitch as it were

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nobel-prize-winning dr. otto Varberg

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during his research of cancer and tumor

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cells came to a monumental clear-cut

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conclusion that cancer and all diseases

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arise from a low deficiency of oxygen

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mm-hmm which ultimately brings about an

552
00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:51,970
acidic environment perfect for any

553
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,270
cancer or disease after losing several

554
00:27:58,529 --> 00:27:57,279
close friends to cancer early in life

555
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,539
Larry

556
00:28:03,299 --> 00:28:00,640
soon found himself literally dying

557
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:03,309
several years later recently married and

558
00:28:07,889 --> 00:28:05,730
about to become a father dire

559
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:07,899
circumstances all serving as Larry's

560
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,450
catalyst in search of natural health

561
00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:13,360
remedies since then not only is Larry

562
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:15,580
living a healthy and happy life free

563
00:28:22,409 --> 00:28:20,049
from any disease for stop next sentence

564
00:28:25,049 --> 00:28:22,419
he has managed to stay that way for

565
00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:25,059
years now in beating cancer and disease

566
00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:27,549
naturally Larry is going to provide you

567
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:30,760
with the bare bone secrets breaking down

568
00:28:36,510 --> 00:28:33,190
the five natural steps that anyone can

569
00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:36,520
take today in a simple and easy to

570
00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:39,460
follow plan helping you in restoring

571
00:28:44,909 --> 00:28:41,260
your health and keeping it that way from

572
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:44,919
here on out using dr. VAR Berg's

573
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:48,460
research as the fundamental idea it

574
00:28:52,919 --> 00:28:50,500
propelled Larry into years of trial and

575
00:28:54,899 --> 00:28:52,929
error only driven by any setbacks along

576
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:54,909
the way the amazing fact

577
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:56,710
Larry's body was healing itself

578
00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:00,159
naturally year-long pains started to

579
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:02,950
disappear the chronic sinusitis cleared

580
00:29:08,639 --> 00:29:05,020
up a skin rash that had developed as a

581
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:08,649
teenager on his right foot vanished the

582
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:11,080
calcification buildup was the right

583
00:29:17,399 --> 00:29:14,409
wrist plaguing Larry for years seemed to

584
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:17,409
melt away even a cataract started to

585
00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:20,830
shrink hmm it's amazing no longer a

586
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:23,320
concern because eventually just like all

587
00:29:30,419 --> 00:29:27,490
other diseases it too would be healthy

588
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:30,429
by the body naturally all diseases

589
00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:32,890
vanished away as Larry continued working

590
00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:35,140
with his body not against it after years

591
00:29:40,049 --> 00:29:37,630
of pain and discomfort growing up seeing

592
00:29:42,659 --> 00:29:40,059
one medical professional after another

593
00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:42,669
utter depression drove Larry to assume

594
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:46,150
full responsibility for his health

595
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:47,710
from having his tonsils removed

596
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:49,870
suffering from asthma chronic

597
00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:52,690
constipation the cataract calcification

598
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:56,380
in the wrist crazy skin rashes athlete's

599
00:30:00,390 --> 00:29:57,850
foot I shouldn't laugh

600
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:00,400
angina leaky gut syndrome irritable

601
00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:03,310
bowel syndrome as well as the early

602
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:06,670
stages of cancer symptoms and all the

603
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:08,770
pain that goes with it gone

604
00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:11,050
Larry was able to cure them all

605
00:30:16,370 --> 00:30:14,500
naturally discover the one dead ear

606
00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:16,380
that's not very good term isn't it

607
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,000
discover the one dead easy action to

608
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:21,520
start reversing your disease today no

609
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:24,370
matter what it is at last to be able to

610
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:27,090
lose all the weight you want to

611
00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:31,090
regardless of what done it you are on no

612
00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:34,030
with absolute certainty no matter the

613
00:30:40,050 --> 00:30:37,150
disease symptoms presented just how sick

614
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:40,060
you are more importantly the immediate

615
00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:42,910
steps to take to reverse it amaze your

616
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:46,600
friends and family by not just starting

617
00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:49,270
to look younger but feel and active as

618
00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:52,180
well disease-free learn the one true

619
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:55,060
fact that so far has prevented you from

620
00:31:01,260 --> 00:30:58,480
achieving your health goals and it is

621
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:01,270
not all about diet written for the

622
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:03,610
everyday person Larry distills the

623
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:05,530
health knowledge that he knows will work

624
00:31:11,310 --> 00:31:08,410
on anyone suffering from cancer or any

625
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:11,320
other signs of disease curing and

626
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:13,930
restoring your health naturally all the

627
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:16,780
hard work has been done for you the

628
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,150
clear certain path has been laid out and

629
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:22,000
all you need to do now is to make the

630
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:23,610
time and effort to follow it through

631
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:26,830
saving you the years saving you all the

632
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:28,810
wasted money torment pain and

633
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,570
frustration millions of people the world

634
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:34,720
over scour Google every day searching

635
00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:38,650
for solutions to pink eye symptoms mono

636
00:31:43,410 --> 00:31:41,470
symptoms heart attack symptoms diabetic

637
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:43,420
symptoms along with a bunch of other

638
00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:46,990
diseases all in search for help get some

639
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:48,940
real answers followed by some real

640
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:52,420
results today so go ahead to the

641
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:54,940
checkout and order your copy of beating

642
00:31:59,650 --> 00:31:57,520
cancer and disease and naturally today

643
00:32:03,720 --> 00:31:59,660
start your very own personal

644
00:32:06,490 --> 00:32:03,730
of truth health getting healthy and

645
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:06,500
staying that way and it's still curious

646
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:09,230
to me that a fly or poster for this book

647
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:12,110
should appear randomly on a street side

648
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:15,770
in Sydney Australia nevertheless I seem

649
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:17,690
to remember something about this idea of

650
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:20,930
cancer starving disease and this sort of

651
00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:22,310
talk so I did a little bit of research

652
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:24,980
ending up at McGill University website

653
00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:28,310
and the website that's entitled or the

654
00:32:33,610 --> 00:32:30,860
page is entitled alkaline nonsense

655
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:33,620
it is so seductively simple if you want

656
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:35,690
to avoid cancer just make sure your body

657
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:39,830
is alkaline here is the rationale when a

658
00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:41,990
cell becomes cancerous it reduces its

659
00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:44,300
use of oxygen and cranks up its

660
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:46,580
production of acids the conditions then

661
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:50,000
allow such cells to multiply quickly to

662
00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:51,590
counter this you need to ensure that

663
00:32:58,330 --> 00:32:54,800
cells get an adequate supply of oxygen

664
00:33:00,640 --> 00:32:58,340
and the acids produced are neutralized a

665
00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:00,650
little bit later there's a paragraph as

666
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:02,600
so often happens promoters of

667
00:33:07,930 --> 00:33:04,970
nonsensical therapy seize a few

668
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:07,940
filaments of scientific fact and weave

669
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:11,390
these into a tangled web that ensnares

670
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:13,190
the desperate and the scientifically

671
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:15,710
confused in this case it all starts with

672
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:17,630
the work of German physician Otto

673
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:21,410
Verburg AHA who received the 1931 Nobel

674
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:24,170
Prize in medicine for his work on

675
00:33:32,650 --> 00:33:29,360
cellular metabolism Verburg showed that

676
00:33:34,690 --> 00:33:32,660
the growth of malignant cells requires

677
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:34,700
remarkably smaller amounts of oxygen

678
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:38,260
than of normal cells and that their

679
00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:41,840
metabolism follows an anaerobic pathway

680
00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:44,630
leading to the production of lactic acid

681
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:47,630
this notion laid dormant until the 1980s

682
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,960
when dr. Keith Breuer a physicist with

683
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:53,360
no medical training used it to support

684
00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:56,570
his perplexing theory of how potassium

685
00:34:01,390 --> 00:33:58,790
and calcium control the transport of

686
00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:01,400
glucose and oxygen into cells and how

687
00:34:06,220 --> 00:34:03,500
irritation of the cell's membranes

688
00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:06,230
interferes with this transport system

689
00:34:13,089 --> 00:34:09,710
the result Brewer maintained is the verb

690
00:34:16,089 --> 00:34:13,099
effect which lowers the sales pH reduces

691
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,099
its oxygen supply and causes changes in

692
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:19,520
the DNA characteristic of cancer he then

693
00:34:24,609 --> 00:34:20,990
went on to claim that cesium's

694
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:24,619
chemically symmetry to potassium allows

695
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:27,740
it to be readily taken up by cells and

696
00:34:32,409 --> 00:34:29,810
that unlike potassium it does not

697
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:32,419
transport glucose into cells while

698
00:34:37,180 --> 00:34:34,970
allowing oxygen to enter as a result

699
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:37,190
cancer cells are enriched in oxygen

700
00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:40,970
deprived of glucose from less lactic

701
00:34:47,139 --> 00:34:43,940
acid become more alkaline and as a

702
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:47,149
consequence dime sounds good but Brewer

703
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:51,080
got the Verburg effect all wrong cancer

704
00:34:57,010 --> 00:34:53,470
cells do not shift to a mode of

705
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:57,020
metabolism that doesn't use oxygen but

706
00:35:01,780 --> 00:34:58,970
this happens even in the presence of

707
00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:01,790
oxygen and of course that page goes on

708
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:04,940
and on and on with further explanations

709
00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:06,530
that's from McGill University in Canada

710
00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:08,990
but what an interesting little rabbit

711
00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:11,540
hole this turned out to be from walking

712
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:13,070
down a street in Sydney and seeing a

713
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:15,830
random flyer which caught my eye because

714
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:17,510
the top said something about curing

715
00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:20,930
diseases or beating cancer to reading

716
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:24,680
the bizarre dare I say ramblings of the

717
00:35:30,010 --> 00:35:27,710
author in the in the blurb that

718
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:30,020
accompanies the book on Amazon - chasing

719
00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:31,700
up some of the background as to why

720
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:34,940
people think this I wonder I really do

721
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:38,380
wonder what the situation is with this

722
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:42,859
Larry green person whoever he or she is

723
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:46,640
if we were to go by what they've written

724
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:50,200
they seem to have a miraculous cure at

725
00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:53,570
hand but I think for the rest of us I

726
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:58,040
think we should remain skeptical all

727
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:00,040
this from just keeping your eyes open

728
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:02,690
walking down the street I'll include the

729
00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:05,390
links to the book and the page from

730
00:36:08,020 --> 00:36:07,670
McGill University in this week's show

731
00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:08,030
notes

732
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:17,590
[Music]

733
00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:20,930
calling all skeptics or listeners the

734
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:22,820
eleven or near Glasgow

735
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:25,550
are you planning to visit sometime then

736
00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:27,530
you're in luck because the Glasgow

737
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:29,660
skeptics have got your Monday nights

738
00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:32,660
sorted we are committed to filling up

739
00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:35,060
every available Monday night talks on

740
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:37,700
science and skepticism past speakers

741
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:39,890
include Eugenie Scott Jerry Coyne

742
00:36:44,830 --> 00:36:42,290
Michael Marshall Nate Phelps torment

743
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Cecil from cognitive dissonance PZ Myers

744
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:47,930
Richard Wiseman EC drilling Noah Heath

745
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:50,450
and Eli from the scathing atheist Simon

746
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:53,030
Singh Rebecca Watson and a multitude of

747
00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:56,090
local academics and skeptics there's

748
00:36:59,710 --> 00:36:58,310
literally nothing better you can do in a

749
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,720
Monday in Glasgow

750
00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:01,520
it doesn't involve taking your clothes

751
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:04,460
off so come join us we've also got a

752
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:06,710
vibrant online community you can find us

753
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:08,990
on Facebook Twitter and get involved

754
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:11,330
with the discussion Glasgow skeptics

755
00:37:26,170 --> 00:37:23,680
self-help for your brain years may not

756
00:37:32,049 --> 00:37:26,180
spooky action

757
00:37:33,220 --> 00:37:32,059
at the distance so it's Sunday morning

758
00:37:35,049 --> 00:37:33,230
after the big dinner the night before

759
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:35,059
and it's all happening here as people

760
00:37:39,069 --> 00:37:36,980
half with hangovers turn up here for

761
00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:39,079
another day of skepticism for the big

762
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:42,500
final labs skeptic on 2019 I'm a nerd

763
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:45,049
I've had a banana and I'm full of

764
00:37:49,329 --> 00:37:48,049
something we've got a couple of people

765
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,339
they're smiling I'll soon wipe that off

766
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:51,520
their face how are you all very well

767
00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:53,750
nice to meet you too who we got Liam

768
00:37:58,450 --> 00:37:56,660
Mannix from the AG how are you oh pretty

769
00:37:59,740 --> 00:37:58,460
good now boy what you doing some writing

770
00:38:02,500 --> 00:37:59,750
you've been taking some photos or

771
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:02,510
working on the crossword not working on

772
00:38:05,529 --> 00:38:03,950
the crosswords I can never solve them

773
00:38:07,059 --> 00:38:05,539
but we're down here to hear what

774
00:38:11,260 --> 00:38:07,069
everybody's skeptical about and see if

775
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:11,270
there might be some stories in it print

776
00:38:14,980 --> 00:38:12,770
journalists I hope because they're on

777
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:14,990
the top tree it goes it goes from print

778
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:16,220
journalist and down the bottom you've

779
00:38:22,029 --> 00:38:18,950
got $2 shops brokers and just below that

780
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:22,039
podcast is where I am so yes so when

781
00:38:25,269 --> 00:38:23,390
you're looking for a skeptical story

782
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:25,279
obviously the skeptics are very intense

783
00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:27,410
knowing them and you've got to take away

784
00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:28,700
their intensity and figure out the

785
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:30,260
general public is interested in it don't

786
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:31,970
you yeah you got to be skeptical about

787
00:38:36,549 --> 00:38:35,000
the sceptics yes a particularly angle

788
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:36,559
you're maybe thinking about already not

789
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:38,450
I'm not gonna ring another population I

790
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:41,140
like the Sun the herald some hey the age

791
00:38:45,010 --> 00:38:43,640
maybe an an evac story is that you're

792
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:45,020
thinking of or one the big ones who

793
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:48,410
thinking of the smaller psychic maybe a

794
00:38:50,529 --> 00:38:49,970
horoscope kind of angle what are you

795
00:38:52,059 --> 00:38:50,539
going with

796
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,069
well the psychics are fascinating out

797
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:53,359
there and the horoscopes but I'm

798
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:55,430
actually a science journalist so what

799
00:38:58,930 --> 00:38:57,410
really fascinates me is when people are

800
00:39:01,000 --> 00:38:58,940
skeptical about some of the things that

801
00:39:02,829 --> 00:39:01,010
scientists say because scientists are so

802
00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:02,839
trusted in the community right but there

803
00:39:06,609 --> 00:39:04,460
are some things that they put out there

804
00:39:08,319 --> 00:39:06,619
that you know aren't always backed up by

805
00:39:09,849 --> 00:39:08,329
evidence so I'm sort of interested in

806
00:39:11,799 --> 00:39:09,859
that sort of stuff there's a lot of talk

807
00:39:13,269 --> 00:39:11,809
last night a dinner about science

808
00:39:14,289 --> 00:39:13,279
journalism and it was a bit of a double

809
00:39:15,730 --> 00:39:14,299
thing they were going yes there's

810
00:39:17,049 --> 00:39:15,740
there's so few of them then they're

811
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,059
going on but the ones that are out there

812
00:39:21,309 --> 00:39:19,760
so it's like so yes they're really great

813
00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:21,319
they're really grateful you're around

814
00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:23,000
but yet they still they still get

815
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:24,680
picking you can't win Kenny you can't

816
00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:27,529
win and what angle you think you on on

817
00:39:32,529 --> 00:39:30,140
the vestroia bats I don't know at this

818
00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:32,539
point I am mainly accompanying leme here

819
00:39:35,350 --> 00:39:34,190
but I do I'm a freelance journalist

820
00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:35,360
house journalist I'm

821
00:39:39,340 --> 00:39:38,150
journalist as well house like pump up

822
00:39:42,730 --> 00:39:39,350
the volume that sort of thing

823
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:42,740
C&C Music Factory general alright sorry

824
00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:45,920
I was thinking music perhaps I suppose

825
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:47,420
I'm very skeptical of the medical

826
00:39:52,270 --> 00:39:49,730
establishment as it approaches gender

827
00:39:54,070 --> 00:39:52,280
and as approaches the way that women and

828
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:54,080
men for instance are evaluated or

829
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:56,090
listened to by the medical system so I

830
00:39:59,920 --> 00:39:58,130
like a lot of women that have been to a

831
00:40:02,020 --> 00:39:59,930
GP would probably agree with you at that

832
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:02,030
perhaps and I just think I've done a few

833
00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:03,470
stories on that and I think the medical

834
00:40:08,350 --> 00:40:05,180
system is set up not to maybe listen to

835
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:08,360
women's complaints or medical issues in

836
00:40:11,770 --> 00:40:09,710
the same way that it is on male it's

837
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:11,780
just a it's an interesting kind of field

838
00:40:16,930 --> 00:40:13,910
that I'm looking into I heard from a

839
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:16,940
doctor once an ECG for a female is going

840
00:40:21,310 --> 00:40:18,650
to be different for a male because it's

841
00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:21,320
not set up like the actual measuring of

842
00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:23,060
it may be incorrect with the female is

843
00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:25,160
there any truth in that I'm not going to

844
00:40:29,020 --> 00:40:26,840
about that exact example but I'm pretty

845
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:29,030
sure but for instance heart attack so

846
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:32,060
nobody knows that actually most clinical

847
00:40:37,150 --> 00:40:36,050
patients are actually men and then I'm a

848
00:40:38,350 --> 00:40:37,160
completely different physiology

849
00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:38,360
different hormones everything they're

850
00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:40,520
dis quite different but because women

851
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,540
subjects are seen as have hormonal

852
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:46,640
interference if you know for a minute so

853
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:47,810
they don't actually test on women

854
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:51,130
because they think that because they are

855
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:53,810
absolute that's right so everything

856
00:40:58,180 --> 00:40:55,850
every drug every pretty much measure of

857
00:41:00,040 --> 00:40:58,190
anything is tested on men and it just

858
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,050
now we're just discovering that a lot of

859
00:41:04,690 --> 00:41:02,000
it is actually different when women have

860
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:04,700
to have a word and a few of their ears

861
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:06,260
down there particularly doing the coffee

862
00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:07,580
or the lunch breaks and that sort of

863
00:41:09,820 --> 00:41:08,780
thing and you'll get a bit of an idea

864
00:41:11,830 --> 00:41:09,830
what they're all talking about I've

865
00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:11,840
actually been asking them about dolphins

866
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,270
of all things because when they had the

867
00:41:17,890 --> 00:41:16,400
bent spoon award I went back through the

868
00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:17,900
press releases from the bent spoon

869
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:20,540
Awards going back into the 76 or so and

870
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:21,890
I noticed that pretty much when they

871
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:23,480
were talking about New Age war the

872
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,820
paranormal dolphins were mentioned

873
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:28,640
almost every single year up until the

874
00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:30,350
early eighties and suddenly nothing

875
00:41:34,330 --> 00:41:32,840
since and I've been asking people why

876
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:34,340
dolphins were once considered a

877
00:41:39,940 --> 00:41:37,820
paranormal mystery a mystic animal and

878
00:41:41,650 --> 00:41:39,950
by the paranormal community and then not

879
00:41:44,650 --> 00:41:41,660
anymore and the answer I seem to have

880
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:44,660
got is that science as the bio sciences

881
00:41:46,850 --> 00:41:46,490
caught up with what the dolphins about

882
00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:46,860
and

883
00:41:51,590 --> 00:41:49,830
it's actually filled in gaps so I've had

884
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:51,600
a thing about the the Dolph the Gulf

885
00:41:56,210 --> 00:41:54,450
Dolphin of the gaps so basically people

886
00:41:57,830 --> 00:41:56,220
have filled in the information about the

887
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,840
dolphin so if anyone tries to get all

888
00:42:02,090 --> 00:41:59,460
mystical or paranormal about it we go

889
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:02,100
well no it's because of this paranormal

890
00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:04,020
mystical about a dolphin that's what I

891
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:06,120
was thinking initially but everybody who

892
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,740
seemed to be nominated for a bent spoon

893
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:10,020
award had some dolphin angle like that

894
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:11,730
they were magical or they could

895
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:13,110
communicate with them or there was

896
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:14,490
something about them and then suddenly

897
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:16,410
it stopped dead in the early 80s oh yes

898
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:19,290
I so yes they were seen as being just

899
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:21,000
more than just an animal almost like a

900
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,160
cypher for something that science

901
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:25,560
refuses to acknowledge be related to the

902
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:28,110
airing of flipper the TV show which no

903
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:29,640
longer on air anymore it's probably

904
00:42:33,260 --> 00:42:31,500
getting reruns in the late seventies

905
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:33,270
early eighties but yes so I so I asked

906
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,650
people what ever happened to dolphins

907
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:36,300
everyone goes yeah we haven't heard them

908
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:38,310
as a mystical paranormal thing so that's

909
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:40,320
one of those things and crystals seem to

910
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:41,640
have lost a bit of their thing as well

911
00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:43,140
there's plenty of crystal shops around

912
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:45,630
but you don't get it as much there's a

913
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,070
lot of crystals happening especially in

914
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:49,980
the influence of world now it is a huge

915
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:51,630
so it's actually moved up to the rich

916
00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:53,880
got a high markup that's why exactly it

917
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:55,230
and now there's a new thing that's

918
00:42:58,460 --> 00:42:56,520
happening about crystals and they're

919
00:43:01,160 --> 00:42:58,470
being dug up by you know little children

920
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:01,170
in Africa and it's a blood crystals of

921
00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:03,510
massively unregarded trade so if you

922
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:05,430
ever go an influence on Instagram all of

923
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:07,140
the women who are in the creative

924
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:09,270
influences so they're all spending like

925
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:10,740
they're obsessed with astrology and

926
00:43:19,580 --> 00:43:18,150
crystals what's your interesting whoohh

927
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:19,590
the one you think I'll come on that

928
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:21,000
can't be right the one that the words

929
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:22,650
that get your goat as I like to say is

930
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:30,420
the crystals you're not God something

931
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:33,450
that everybody believes ah putting ice

932
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:36,900
on your injuries when you hurt sports

933
00:43:42,110 --> 00:43:40,050
science this is my big word no Studies

934
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:42,120
on any of that they go over to the room

935
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:43,740
and I do these secret things it's almost

936
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:45,480
like the ritual they had the lucky

937
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:47,010
Underpants kind of thing it's a bit like

938
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,540
that yeah what's the rule I could see

939
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,920
you you're thinking you you you're

940
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:51,540
running out the wheel of was spinning in

941
00:43:59,049 --> 00:43:57,609
hmm well but for some people look for

942
00:44:00,880 --> 00:43:59,059
some people they go for ones that are

943
00:44:02,769 --> 00:44:00,890
quite dangerous like the vaccine aunty

944
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:02,779
vaccine but other people in the office

945
00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:04,010
every day if you've got someone who's

946
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:05,480
really into horoscopes they can get

947
00:44:08,589 --> 00:44:06,890
really annoying after a while

948
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:08,599
oh that's cause you're a Virgo that's

949
00:44:14,019 --> 00:44:12,200
why that happened do you like it's us

950
00:44:15,250 --> 00:44:14,029
horoscopes all the time

951
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,260
well and where can we actually catch

952
00:44:20,019 --> 00:44:16,640
your work if you've got your own tool of

953
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:20,029
freelance page URL yes I do I have a

954
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:23,089
website but I often write for the Aged

955
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:25,369
The Guardian Sydney Morning Herald etc

956
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:28,670
so it's Caroline szalinski calm the age

957
00:44:33,009 --> 00:44:31,609
come today you have a side hustle like

958
00:44:34,690 --> 00:44:33,019
the way you sell crystals or something

959
00:44:35,799 --> 00:44:34,700
like that or or lucky Underpants or

960
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:35,809
something you should get into that

961
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:37,160
nextly horoscopes I read the horoscope

962
00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:41,119
said it's great horoscope writing oh my

963
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:44,680
god Jessica Adams will tell you that yes

964
00:44:53,950 --> 00:44:47,569
my favourite astrologer rocks

965
00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:53,960
she's internally consistent like I said

966
00:44:57,339 --> 00:44:55,579
Tim minam's doing his usual thing on the

967
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,349
merge disky I was just listening to the

968
00:45:01,930 --> 00:44:59,359
first talk on a Sunday there and she

969
00:45:03,309 --> 00:45:01,940
mentioned subjunctive nodes and I was

970
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,319
out of this so I got no idea what that

971
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:06,319
means what is the subjunctive node with

972
00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:07,460
subjunctive is probably one of my

973
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,140
favorites actually okay

974
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:11,359
I think the subjunctive subjunctive he

975
00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:14,210
is going back to my Latin training as we

976
00:45:20,259 --> 00:45:16,460
all have oh yes yes I'll be subjunctive

977
00:45:21,819 --> 00:45:20,269
I think is I would be case I mean it is

978
00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:21,829
something like or is that the

979
00:45:27,819 --> 00:45:25,160
conditional anyway as the editor of the

980
00:45:29,859 --> 00:45:27,829
the skeptic do you get people going you

981
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:29,869
said something wrong that's not the way

982
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:32,329
you should have wrote that oh yeah oh

983
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,980
yeah that's a part of pattern part of

984
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:36,319
the course yes it's I usually write

985
00:45:40,569 --> 00:45:37,849
what's the percentage do you given I

986
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:40,579
don't acknowledge one plus I look

987
00:45:43,809 --> 00:45:42,140
whenever people criticize me often right

988
00:45:45,809 --> 00:45:43,819
back to them saying you may be correct

989
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:45,819
and just leave it at that

990
00:45:49,329 --> 00:45:47,690
everyone's happy I'm always very polite

991
00:45:50,799 --> 00:45:49,339
to people so what's really moving like

992
00:45:52,059 --> 00:45:50,809
human we must be jealous of the skeptics

993
00:45:54,009 --> 00:45:52,069
guide the universe selling all their

994
00:45:55,690 --> 00:45:54,019
books in like about 30 seconds yesterday

995
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:55,700
I know and I but what's been bit selling

996
00:45:59,700 --> 00:45:57,640
here is the hotcakes good

997
00:46:01,799 --> 00:45:59,710
ladies are selling like that yeah that's

998
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:01,809
right cheaper look did you enjoyed the

999
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:03,369
dinner last night are there there's a

1000
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,930
photo of you that Susan Kovac took of

1001
00:46:08,579 --> 00:46:06,400
you doing some kung-fu moves in the

1002
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:08,589
background look pretty cool yeah I can't

1003
00:46:12,329 --> 00:46:09,910
recall that but there was a lot of wine

1004
00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:12,339
going around oh you're racing off to the

1005
00:46:16,589 --> 00:46:14,140
stage to get something and and the photo

1006
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,599
was taken so you're doing this it looks

1007
00:46:20,279 --> 00:46:18,640
great try and get a copy of that yeah

1008
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:20,289
we'll have fun here on the table today

1009
00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:21,609
and hopefully you'll get rid of the most

1010
00:46:24,839 --> 00:46:23,140
of stuff so we won't have to take it

1011
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:24,849
back in the mist remember back to Sydney

1012
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:51,160
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1013
00:46:55,540 --> 00:46:53,510
zone this week now here's an

1014
00:46:57,970 --> 00:46:55,550
announcement for Sydney listeners the

1015
00:47:01,450 --> 00:46:57,980
Australian skeptics dinner meeting is

1016
00:47:05,470 --> 00:47:01,460
coming up and this will be on the 29th

1017
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:05,480
of February from 7:00 p.m. and the talk

1018
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:07,970
will start around 8 o'clock the location

1019
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,010
is the Occidental hotel where we

1020
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:11,839
normally have Sydney skeptics in the pub

1021
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:15,140
and this is an event you really do have

1022
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:17,810
to book for because it is a dinner

1023
00:47:23,230 --> 00:47:20,180
meeting and the speaker on the night

1024
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:23,240
will be dr. Michael Mann on climate

1025
00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:26,210
change the Sydney sceptics dinners are

1026
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,190
making a welcome return with a bang on

1027
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:31,280
February 29th featuring a high-profile

1028
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:34,130
speaker on the issue of the century dr.

1029
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:35,450
Michael Mann is an American

1030
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:38,630
climatologist and geophysicist currently

1031
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:40,310
director of the Earth System science

1032
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:43,310
center at Pennsylvania State University

1033
00:47:48,099 --> 00:47:45,650
who has contributed to the scientific

1034
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:48,109
understanding of historic climate change

1035
00:47:54,609 --> 00:47:50,839
based on the temperature record of the

1036
00:47:57,609 --> 00:47:54,619
past thousand years now the numbers are

1037
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,619
limited to this event so again booking

1038
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:00,319
is essential and you can book for that

1039
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:06,290
event by going to WWF Descamps au but

1040
00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:08,660
for those of you in Victoria of course

1041
00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:11,180
on the 29th of February we have skeptic

1042
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:14,750
amp 8:00 Surf Coast summer skeptic camp

1043
00:48:18,839 --> 00:48:16,609
8 and I'm looking forward to that

1044
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:18,849
because I am delighted that the

1045
00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:22,730
organizers have offered me the chance to

1046
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:25,790
talk down there at skeptic amp I'll be

1047
00:48:30,609 --> 00:48:28,640
talking about strange energies and we'll

1048
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:30,619
put to the test one of the strange

1049
00:48:36,849 --> 00:48:33,560
energy devices the Australian skeptics

1050
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:36,859
have collected along the way links to

1051
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:38,660
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1052
00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:41,270
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00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,550
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1061
00:49:10,060 --> 00:49:06,589
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1062
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:10,070
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1063
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:12,710
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1064
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:14,690
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1065
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:18,470
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1066
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:19,280
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1067
00:49:27,010 --> 00:49:25,160
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1068
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:27,020
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1069
00:49:31,870 --> 00:49:29,990
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1070
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:31,880
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1071
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:33,890
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1072
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:36,800
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1073
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:39,980
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1074
00:49:46,359 --> 00:49:43,030
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1078
00:49:58,540 --> 00:49:55,250
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00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:58,550
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1080
00:50:05,859 --> 00:50:02,240
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1081
00:50:07,930 --> 00:50:05,869
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1082
00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:07,940
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1091
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:42,380
the skeptic zone via patreon or PayPal

1092
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the skeptic zone podcast is an

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independent production reviews and

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opinions expressed on the skeptic zone

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and not necessarily those of Australian

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skeptics or any other sceptical

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organisation

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hello where are we hello afterthoughts

1099
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hello people who listen after the music

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this is where we play the dice game this

1101
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is where I roll a die dice die it's

1102
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usually 10 sided usually sometimes six I

1103
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think I once did a 30 sided I've got

1104
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quite a collection

1105
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in fact when are they big everywhere I

1106
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got a big container here full of

1107
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fascinating dice I've collected over the

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years of various conventions like Dragon

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Con in the USA so this week

1110
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let me put something back I'm going to

1111
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roll - I'm going to roll a four sided

1112
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die and an eight sided die just for the

1113
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hell of it so this is where you get to

1114
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use your psychic prediction this is

1115
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where you get to use your dumb luck

1116
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prediction or whatever for you to guess

1117
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the numbers that come up where's my

1118
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skipped exam pin all right I write these

1119
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down because I always forget okay here

1120
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we go

1121
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I think I'll roll the four sided first

1122
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so you have the chance now to think of a

1123
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number one two three or four here it

1124
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comes

1125
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first number is number one number one

1126
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will roll the 4-sided again are you

1127
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ready and here it comes

1128
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:48,329
and it's number number one again hardly

1129
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surprising there's not many numbers last

1130
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time here we go four sided very quick

1131
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roll to one one and two all right let's

1132
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try the eight sided three times again

1133
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here we go a first first one coming up

1134
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on the eight sided so it's one two three

1135
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four five six seven eight six

1136
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next one guess away eight six eight and

1137
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last time - all right today's winning

1138
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numbers on the four sided we had one one